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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: KERMIT (solaris): easy way to install,use?
Date: 5 Sep 1997 16:09:35 GMT
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In article <dkcombsEG0ss8.B6v@netcom.com>,
David Combs <dkcombs@netcom.com> wrote:
: I have a "shell" account on netcom.com;
: am currently using "tip", and love it;
: super simple to use, only a man page to
: read, does what I want.
:
: Except it sends only 7-bit ascii, and
: screws up when it sees 8-bit suprise-chars.
:
: So, must switch to something else. People
: have suggested Kermit (ckermit).
:
: So I got this book on c-kermit. Darn book
: is over 600 pages long!
:
: Hey, is there any EASY way to use this thing?
:
If you need help, you are perfectly entitled to
send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu.
: Do I really have to read (master) a 600 page
: book, when all I want to do is to get something
: more modern than "tip"?
:
It's the old story. You start out with something
simple, users like it BUT it just needs this ONE
MORE feature... And for each user, that one more
feature is a different one.
: There must be some SMALL documentation SOMEWHERE
: about this..., huh?
:
As with TIP there is a man page. Did you try "man
kermit"? If it didn't work that means your ISP
did not install it. You can pick it up yourself
from:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckuker.nr
You can look at it with:
nroff -man ckuker.nr
Anyway, if you can be more specific about what you
want to do with C-Kermit, I'll be glad to help you
get started. Since you say you have been using tip,
but you have trouble with 8-bit character sets,
that probably that means you want to dial out to a
host that uses 8-bit character sets, and then maybe
transfer files.
So to dial out (assuming Netcom is running the
current version of C-Kermit, which is 6.0):
set modem type xxxx ; where xxxx is the type of modem
In any field you can type a ? to see the possibilities:
set modem type ?
lists all the possible modem types.
Next, say which device you will be using, like:
set line /dev/cua
If this gives an error message, it means that Netcom
didn't install Kermit properly (they probably need
to do something with setuid and/or setgid -- we give
complete installation instructions, but we can't
hold a gun to their heads to force them read and
follow them). The installation instructions for UNIX
are in the UNIX appendix of the book, and also online
as a plain-text file at:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckuins.doc
Then tell it the interface speed to use:
set speed 57600 ; or whatever
Now give it any necessary communications settings,
like:
set parity even
or:
set terminal bytesize 8
set terminal command 8
set parity none
Hint: if you have a clean 8-bit connection, just type
"eight" at the prompt or start the program with the
"-8" command-line option, e.g. "kermit -8"; this takes
the place of the three commands just above.
Then have it dial the number:
dial 7654331 ; or whatever
If there is a problem (no dialtone, busy, etc),
you'll get the appropriate error message. If there
is no problem, then poof, you're online.
To get back to the C-Kermit prompt, type Ctrl-\
followed by the letter C.
So why is the book so thick? Because (a) so many things
can go wrong when trying to make connections, or use them;
(b) there is so much variety among connection types and
devices; (c) file transfer must be explained too, and
there are many many options which are there because people
need them; (c) C-Kermit includes a complete programming
language so you can write scripts to do things
automatically (so you don't have to type the same commands
over and over again); (c) character sets (e.g. for German,
French, Hebrew, Japanese, Russian, etc) need a lot of
explaining -- not everybody is a native English speaker!
Etc etc. Note that once you've become comfortable with
the basics of C-Kermit you can use it not only for dialing
out, but also as your Telnet client, and you can do things
with it (file transfer, character-set translation, scripting)
that you can't do with tip or telnet (or ftp), and you can
do them in a consistent way, independent of (a) connection
type and (b) platform. For example, the scripts you
develop are portable to hundreds of different platforms,
and not just UNIX either, but also Windows, DOS, OS/2, VMS,
VOS, AOS/VS, and many others.
I hope this helps get you started. If not, follow up to
the email address given above, or to the Kermit newsgroup,
comp.protocols.kermit.misc.
- Frank